2006-10-27

Selective hearing? Or selective reading?

From AlbertaTimes:

Only the most narrow-minded among us would paint all Muslims with the same brush. There is good and bad in any group of people, regardless of religion, race or origin. I still have fond memories of a group of truckers in Toronto who were all devout Muslims from Somalia. We’d spend hours at the local coffee shop discussing everything under the sun.

Right after 9/11, we had long discussions about terrorism and its connection to Islam into the wee morning hours. Those Somali truck drivers were as outraged at the events of the time as any other American or Canadian. One of them kept saying, “If you kill only one person, it’s as if you kill all of humanity.” Indeed, this is what it says, more or less, in the Koran.
And this would be why I wouldn't get too upset if a massive terrorism strike knocked out all of Toronto. The Albertans who gravitate there really give a distorted and dangerous image of who Albertans are. But I digress...

"If you kill only one person, it’s as if you kill all of humanity." Where (more or less) does it say that in the Koran? A google search string of the phrase brings up a lot of cases: mostly comments on blogs by the same person who runs AlbertaTimes (and mostly the same article). Repeating the same lie again and again does not make it true. This page explicitly states where the Koran says "You shall not kill yourselves" (4:29, which one can look up here). It then repeats the line about killing one person equals all of humanity, but does not give a reference. A google search of the phrase "kill one" searching only the submission.org site turns up only 2 responses, neither of which being the Quran translation. This is the left just going nutso again. Believing it to be the sort of line that Islam should contain, they simply attribute it to the Koran, hoping nobody actually notices. Well I noticed. (I also noticed that in general Werner Patels isn't that much of a liberal, but bear with me)

If you really want to learn about the Koran, the best place to do it (besides T-shirt hell) is The Skeptic's Annotated Koran.
2:191 And slay them wherever ye find them, and drive them out of the places whence they drove you out, for persecution is worse than slaughter. And fight not with them at the Inviolable Place of Worship until they first attack you there, but if they attack you (there) then slay them. Such is the reward of disbelievers.
Kill disbelievers wherever you find them. If they attack you, then kill them. Such is the reward of disbelievers. (But if they desist in their unbelief, then don't kill them.)


Bonus link: Turns out the Bible and the Koran agree on one thing: sometime in the future a man will set himself up at the Temple Mount and demand that the world murder every Christian and Jew residing amoung it. "The big difference is that the Bible doesn't call this man Jesus, it calls him the Antichrist." A reminder that yet again the Koran is not a book of God but a book written by Lucifer, promoted on earth by Satan's Prophet Mohammed in the form of the evil untrue Muslim false-religion

Update, October 28 2006 5:50pm: Wow, who knew this was going to be such a popular post? For interests sake, here are the other times I've used this "false Muslim religion" thing:
October 10th
October 15th
October 6th
September 18th

3 comments:

ABFreedom said...

I've never trusted Islam or Muslims .. they've never stood up against any of this, and the people that have escaped that religion, have no good words for it at all.

Anonymous said...

For those interested here's the verse:

5:32 Because of this did We ordain unto the children of Israel that if anyone slays a human being-unless it be [in punishment] for murder or for spreading corruption on earth-it shall be as though he had slain all mankind; whereas, if anyone saves a life, it shall be as though he had saved the lives of all mankind. [40] And, indeed, there came unto them [41] Our apostles with all evidence of the truth: yet, behold, notwithstanding all this, many of them go on committing all manner of excesses on earth.

Aisha said...

It is always interesting to see the verse about slaying always referenced without referencing the preceding verse and the verses that come after.

To gain a better understanding of the verses here is the verses that come before and after:

290: And fight in God's cause against those who wage war against you, but do not commit aggression-for, verily, God does not love aggressors.

292: But if they desist-behold, God is much-forgiving, a dispenser of grace.